Information and Questions to Ask
                          Why do I want to buy this puppy??

Gee! It sure is cute and no one else I know has one!
I just have to have that one!!  Sound familiar?  I'm sure it does.  We have all been guilty of this to some
degree.  So, how should we approach the purchase of a new family member?  Research, ask questions,
try and find an owner in your area so you can "meet the breed", join a bulletin board that has information.  
Why is this important?   Great question!  Let me try and answer this without generating too many new
questions.

Yes, ISD puppies are cute, as are most puppies.  So disregard the cute factor as a primary selection point.
 I want to be the first one on my block to own one.  Another factor to disregard, there are millions of
buyers who have never seen an Icie.  OK, what should I be looking for?  Now we are on the right track.

There are a number of factors we need to put into a priority list.  This will help you find and purchase a
quality pet that will meet your need and expectations:

 1:  Health risks:  What are the health risks I can expect with this puppy?  Best answer to this question is
to look at the health of the parents.  Have they had their hips and elbows evaluated by OFA or PennHIP
xrays?  What were the results?  Have the eyes of the parents been CERF evaluated yearly during their
breeding years?  Are there any eye health issues I need to know about?  Are there any other known health
issues with the parents, grandparents etc of this puppy?  The breeder is the person who should be able to
answer these and other health questions for you.  If they won't or have not had any health checks done
then these is only one logical thing to do: WALK AWAY, find another litter to locate a puppy.  Don't
depend on a breeder to get the health checks done.

 2: Family Environment:  How active is my family life?  Do I want to look for an active member of this
breed or the more laid back couch potato?  How big and secure is my yard?  Even the couch potato will
need a place to burn off energy.  Will we be active in any of the performance events, will we use the dog
as a working animal or just a companion?   Remember this puppy will be with you for 14 or 15 years.  
How will this puppy fit into our family situation?  Are there other animals to be considered, what about the
current and future children situation?  Now you are getting the idea!  This is a member of the herding
breeds; they want order in their lives.  They want to know everything about everyone and what they are
doing all the time.  They get along with most breeds of dogs; will learn to accept the house cat, and will
tolerate the wear and tear from children.  They don't like to be left alone, so take your times away from
home into consideration when considering this or any other breed.

 3: Maintenance:  Do you know how much these dogs shed?  Do you know how much they bark?  Do
you know what they need to remain healthy for their life?  Do you know how much human contact they
need?  What size will these dogs get to? All good questions to ask a breeder.  There are two different hair
lengths found in this breed.  Both versions shed this coat in large quantity twice a year and in smaller
amounts all year round.  Bark, oh yes, and at everything!  They can be taught to bark less but will never be
completely broken of the habit.  Some bark more then others; this factor is a trait of each puppy and it's
environment.  All dogs, like people, need health check ups, a good quality diet and someone to watch
what and how much they eat.  They need flea, tick and heart worm protection year round in most parts of
the country.  This alone can run several hundred dollars a year.  This is a people breed; they want to be
with you 24/7.  They want to please and they want to be loved in return.  The weight of this breed will run
from 20 to 50 pounds.  If you just want a dog for a decoration then the Icie is not the breed you want.  
This is not a dog to be recommended to a first time dog owner.

 4:  What to look for:  Now you have made it through the questions above and all those they generated,
what are you really looking for?  Do you want a male or a female; a pet or a future breeder, long or short
haired version?  The male of this breed is more laid back then the females.  So if you have a less active life
style the male may be the best choice.  Not all males fit this laid back mold, some are very active.  So how
to you know?  Again, ask the breeder, they are the best person to know what the personality of each dog
is.  Once you and a breeder get to know each other and have discussed the type of dog you want, let the
breeder do the placing of the dogs.  They will have the best chance of placing the right dog in the right
home.   If your goal is to just have a companion, don't expect the "Pick of the Litter".  If you have a future
interest in breeding, be sure the breeder knows this.  Hair length is strictly personal preference; generally
the long haired version will weigh less then the shorter hair ones.

 5: Breeders:  What do I look for in a breeder?  How will I know which ones to contact?  Can I trust
them?  What will they want from me?  The best place to find a breeder is on the national breed clubs
website.  This is true for all breeds.  You can find this information, in the USA, on the AKC, UKC, and
CKC websites.  Breeders in other countries can be found on their national breed club websites.  The
board of directors for the breed clubs are the one who approve breeders for inclusion on the club website.
 These are breeders who adhere to the code of conduct established by the parent clubs.  They have shown
they will comply with the by-laws set down in regards to health checks, breeding ages of their dogs,
number of litters produced by each female or sired by each male.  Ask the breeders you are interested in
what they offer in their sale package.  Is the puppy registered, will it have all the shots up to date, is there a
return clause in the contract, and what else can I expect for the price I'm paying.   Why are puppies
different prices?  Each breeder will set their price according to how they approach breeding.  You need to
determine if one breeder's package is better for you for the price they are asking.  Remember the initial
cost of the puppy is nothing compared to the on going cost of raising and maintaining the dog's quality of
life over the next 15 years.   Yes, there are other breeders who offer puppies for sale who do not adhere
to any kind of rules.

                             Bottom line:
BUYER BEWARE.

    6: So what about the one I like the picture of?  Although the pictures are nice to watch ALL the
puppies grow; they should not be the deciding factor in the purchase of a puppy.  Do you think people
who buy Black or Yellow Labs care about the picture?  Not likely.  After 2 minutes with an Icie puppy
you won't care about the pictures either.


Knox Rhine
15 March 2005
                      Registration and the Icelandic Sheepdog

If you are considering getting an Icelandic Sheepdog, it is important to decide what your goals
are.

Will it be a family pet?
Will this dog become part of a breeding program?
Do you plan to participate in organized dog events such as showing your dog in the breed ring or
obedience?
If you are just looking for a wonderful family pet, the question of registration is not so important
and perhaps you will pay less for an unregistered "pet quality" puppy under a spay/neuter
contract. This just means that you and the breeder agree that the puppy will not be used in a
breeding program and it will be spayed or neutered when it reaches the proper age.

On the other hand if you are considering starting a breeding program or participating in
organized events, it is of utmost importance to get a quality puppy from a reputable breeder that
has registered dogs and perhaps is participating in the same events you are interested in. For
instance, if your goal is to have the first Icelandic Sheepdog Obedience Title Champion in the
United States, you will do best to find a breeder with registered dogs who has also participated in
obedience.

It has come to our attention that there is some confusion in regards to the Icelandic Sheepdog in
America and whether or not a dog is registered, purebred or if in fact it really matters. Just
because your breeder is able to provide you with a written three generation pedigree, does not
mean your dog is registered, or that you will be able to register it if you want to. Now, that does
not mean than your purebred dog is not purebred, it just means it is not registered, (in other
words you have no official "proof" it is purebred) and you cannot register it with any of the
registry groups here in the United States such as the American Kennel Club (AKC) United
Kennel Club (UKC) or The American Rare Breed Association (ARBA). The AKC does not
currently recognize this breed, however they do have a recording service for owners of rare
breeds.

In order for your dog to be registrable, it must have registered parents, as shown on a certified
3-generation pedigree issued by an official registry. Icelandic Sheepdogs are recognized and
have official registries in Iceland and many places in Scandinavia and Europe..The Canadian
Kennel Club (CKC) has been trying to vote in recognition for several years without success.
Therefore any dogs born in Canada are not registered. However it is my understanding that
when the Canadian Kennel Club does recognize the breed, the dogs born there will be eligible for
registration if the breeder should choose to pursue it.

The question of the importance of, or even the need for, registration must be addressed. The
main job of any registry is to keep track of purebred dogs. When you buy a registered dog, it
means that your dog's official pedigree is on record with an official registry. It does not
guarantee you will get a quality dog. IT IS THE BREEDERS JOB, THROUGH CAREFUL
AND RESPONSIBLE BREEDING PRACTICES, TO GUARANTEE THE DOG'S HEALTH,
TEMPERAMENT, CONFORMATION AND TYPE (referring to how well the dog meets the
Standard for the breed). It is the buyers job (with the help of a reputable breeder) to make sure
they are getting what they want whether is be a loving family pet or a top quality show or
breeding prospect.

Now, even though the AKC does not recognize the breed, they still have a place for owners who
are considering breeding this rare breed to keep official records. It is the Foundation Stock
Service. If your dog has a three generation certified pedigree issued by an acceptable Foreign or
domestic Registry you can record it with the Foundation Stock Service. If and or when the AKC
recognizes this breed, any dog recorded with the Foundation Stock Service can become AKC
registered. Here is where it is a little tricky. It is my understanding that if your purebred dog
does not have an official 3 generation pedigree from an acceptable registry, your dog will receive
a 0 (zero) pedigree and will have to wait 3 generations to receive AKC registration papers on
dogs in that line. For more information on the AKC's Foundation Stock Service, click here.

The Icelandic Sheepdogs are rare and have been on the endangered species list, however
unscrupulous breeding will only harm the pureness of the breed and we will lose many of the
qualities we have come to find so unique and endearing. If you own an Icelandic Sheepdog and
are considering having it in a breeding program, it would be prudent to have an official 3
generation pedigree to establish pure bloodlines and to choose a registry where these bloodlines
can be officially recorded to guarantee the future integrity of the breed such as the AKC
Foundation Stock Service, ARBA, or the UKC. As for the puppies produced, we would like to
encourage breeders to consider selling "pet quality" pups with spay/neuter contracts, especially
if the buyer is specifically looking for a pet. If the buyer is considering breeding the dog, we hope
they will be encouraged to pursue registration and to follow proper husbandry and breeding
practices. The future outcome of this breed depends of it.

Lori Julius
August 1999
                                           WHAT A PUPPY IS NOT

A puppy is not a toy.

A puppy is a living creature that has a need for love, kindness and proper care for the rest of its
life, not just sufficient rest. It needs to be fed often when young. Young pups are especially
vulnerable to broken bones and other injuries from careless treatment.

A puppy is not a teaching aid.

A puppy should never be obtained to try to instill a sense of responsibility in children. It's unfair
to place a defenseless animal's well-being in the hands of children. Feeding, grooming,
housebreaking, and discipline training of a pup should be the responsibility of adults.

A puppy is not cheap.

The purchase price or adoption fee for a pet is a mere pittance compared to the cost of
veterinary care for routine and emergency treatment, licensing fees, food, equipment and toys
and grooming costs over the dog's life.

A puppy is not self-cleaning.

Dogs neither groom themselves nor clean up after themselves and, therefore, impose an
additional workload on the household.

A puppy is not a puppy forever.

But they do need your love and care forever. Be sure you understand the commitment involved
before succumbing to the charms of a cute, cuddly puppy.



                                                     
TIPS FOR SUCCESS

DON?T BE AFRAID TO ASK QUESTIONS! Good breeders encourage questions. If a breeder
tries to intimidate you or makes fun of the questions you are asking, politely end the
conversation.

If a breeder states they don't need to screen the dogs they breed for genetic disorders (hips,
heart, eyes) because they don't have a problem in their line, politely end the conversation.

If the breeder claims they test their dogs, but can't find the certification papers or written results
in order to provide a copy to you prior to the purchase of the puppy, politely end the
conversation.

If the breeder states the puppies are the result of an "accidental breeding," politely end the
conversation. Remember - conscientious breeders do not have "accidental breedings."

If a breeder states that it's too expensive to test all of the dogs they breed, politely end the
conversion.
TRUST YOUR INSTINCTS! Walk away from all situations in which you are not comfortable.

NEVER buy a puppy or an adult dog because you feel sorry for it or want to rescue it from an
unhealthy or unhappy situation. If you do, you may go home with a sickly, unsocialized or
problematic dog, whose problems you will deal with for the rest of its life.

Most reputable breeders will ask you to contact them if for some reason your lifestyle changes
and you are no longer able to care for you pup, regardless of its age. Responsible breeders
continue to be responsible for the pups they produce FOR THE LIFE OF THE DOG! They will
offer to take back the dog and place it in a new home or keep it in their household.

A good breeder will also ask you to keep in touch with them so they can follow their pup's
progress. Many will ask if they can call you periodically and will invite you to return to their
homes occasionally so they can check the dog's progress. If you find such a breeder, you will be
in good hands.

Good luck with your search for a new addition to your family. If, after reading our guide, you
decide a puppy is just too much work, please consider a rescued Golden. These dogs are usually
house-trained and in most cases, "what you see is what you get."



                                   
QUESTIONS YOU SHOULD ASK

Q. Do you require a written contract? If so, may I have a copy prior to making my decision to
purchase one of your puppies?
* Reputable breeders are happy to give you a copy of their contract prior to your purchase. They want
you to have a through understanding of what is expected and to agree to the terms of the sale.

Q. How many dogs do you own? Are they house-dogs?
* Many good breeders consider their dogs family, and usually have no more than can comfortably live in
their home. Too many dogs may result in lack of proper care.

Q. How many litters do you have each year?
* The AKC may investigate any breeder who has more than 10 litters a year. Puppies are a LOT of hard
work! Breeders who have many litters may not properly socialize each puppy or raise them properly.

Q. What is the cost of your puppies? Do you require a deposit?
* Breeders should be comfortable discussing their prices. Prices for well-bred ISDs in the USA range
from $900.00 to $1,500.00. Most breeders do require a deposit for a puppy. The deposit is usually
$300.00 to $600.00.

Q. Have the parents of this litter been x-rayed for evidence of hip dysplasia? Have the x-rays
been evaluated by OFA (Orthopedic Foundation for Animals) or PennHIP? Has a veterinary
cardiologist examined their hearts? Have their eyes been examined in the past 12 months by a
veterinary ophthalmologist (CERF)?
* The parents of well-bred pups will have all of their health clearances. Beware of the breeder who tells
you they haven't had time to do it yet, or those who make other excuses. ALL breeding stock should have
written certification that their hips, eyes, and hearts are normal. Hip dysplasia, canine cataracts and heart
murmurs may be hereditary.

               DOG WITH HEREDITARY DISORDERS SHOULD NOT BE USED FOR
BREEDING!

Q. How old are the sire (father) & dam (mother) of this litter?
* No dog should be bred before the age of two years. Males should not be used for stud after twelve
years old and females should not be bred after eight years of age.

Q. What inherited health problems can Icelandic Sheepdogs have?
* If a breeder claims ISDs don't have inherited health problems, or that they are not aware of any, look
elsewhere for your puppy. ISDs can have many disorders, including hip or elbow dysplasia, cataracts and
other eye disorders, heart murmurs, allergies, undescended testicles, thyroid conditions, epilepsy, etc.

Q. Do you have or have you had any health or temperament problems in your line?
* Most lines have had some health problems that are hereditary, even if it's allergies.

Q. Do you belong to any Icelandic Sheepdog Clubs or all-breed kennel clubs? How long have
you been a member?
* Most reputable breeders are members of the Icelandic Sheepdog Association of America or a kennel
club, as well as a local specialty club.

Q. Have you ever shown your dog in obedience, conformation, agility, field, or tracking?
* Most reputable breeders are involved with their dogs at some level of competition. If they don't belong
to an organized club and don't participate with their dogs in a dog sport, think carefully before buying a
dog. They may be breeding solely for profit and the quality of their pups may be inferior.

Q. How long have you been involved with ISDs?
* Preferably the breeder should have been involved with ISDs for several years before breeding a litter.
Breeders should have a thorough understanding of genetics, nutrition, behavior and temperament and the
breed standard.

Q. Do you give a health guarantees with your puppies?
* It's reasonable to expect a 48 - 72 hour health guarantee against contagious diseases. Some breeders
will give a longer guarantee and should offer to take the puppy back if it becomes ill and you cannot keep
it.

Q. Are there any special conditions or restrictions regarding my purchase of one of your
puppies?
* If you are buying a pup for a pet/companion, there is NO REASON a breeder should want to use your
pet quality dog for breeding purposes. Some breeders may ask to retain breeding rights or insist you breed
your dog and give them a certain number of puppies. Beware: This may be an easy way for the breeder to
make some extra money! Breeding is a LOT of WORK. It can be very expensive and may even be
dangerous for your dog! Breeders who insist you breed your dog may not have the best interest of the dog
or the breed at heart. Only "show quality" dogs should be bred, and then only by experienced,
knowledgeable people. Many responsible breeders require their pups be spayed/neutered or they sell the
pup with an AKC limited registration, which allows your pup to be registered, but if it is later bred, litters
produced by the dog are not eligible for AKC registration.

Q. Will the puppy have its shots and be wormed before it goes to its new home?
* Puppies should have been given their first puppy shots (DHLPP) and be wormed. Most puppies have
roundworms when they are born and may need several wormings, starting as early as three weeks of age.
You should receive a written schedule of the dates and types of inoculations and wormings and when
additional inoculations or wormings are due.

Q. May I have copies of the test results of the health screenings that have been done and of the
reports certifying the sire and dam as normal?
* Written results of the health screenings are always given to the owner when a dog is tested for
genetic disorders. Reputable breeders are always willing to provide copies of all reports. ALL
breeding stock (parents) should have written certifications that their hips, eyes and hearts are
normal. Hip dysplasia, canine cataracts and heart murmurs may be hereditary.

Q. What happens to my deposit if for some reason I don't get a puppy?
* If you don't receive a pup through no fault of your own (small litter, puppies died, etc.) or if the puppy
that has been chosen for you appears sick or has a poor temperament, a conscientious breeder will refund
your deposit or offer to give you a puppy from their next litter if you are willing to wait

Q. Do the parents have prick ears, curled tail?
* The bred standard requires this in the appearance of the breed.  If the parents have the correct ears and
tails, then their offspring should also possess these traits

Q. Do they have double Dewclaws?  Medium or Long hair?
* Double dewclaws are desired, singles are acceptable.  The hair length is an individual preference.

Q. What are the size, color and temperament of the parents?
* The larger the parents the larger the offspring tend to be.  Color tends to change till the dog reaches 2
years of age, but looking at the parents will give you good idea what color the pups will be.  Not a firm
rule since genetics will always come into play!